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	<title>Comments on: Can we please stop exaggerating UAW wages?</title>
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	<description>You expect us to believe that?</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticrats.com/2008/12/12/can-we-please-stop-exaggerating-uaw-wages/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R

Your figures are way way high. Nobody in the UAW at GM makes anywhere near $40 an hour and the average is around $30 an hour.</description>
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<p>Your figures are way way high. Nobody in the UAW at GM makes anywhere near $40 an hour and the average is around $30 an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Deuce Geary</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticrats.com/2008/12/12/can-we-please-stop-exaggerating-uaw-wages/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Deuce Geary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R,

Your comment is an excellent example of how I think conservatives &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; make our case.  Obviously, a politician wouldn&#039;t make the same foot-dragging claim you did, but a politician wouldn&#039;t have to.  Just point out the facts.

I&#039;ve no doubt that some auto workers, with shift premiums and overtime included, are earning $150k, especially in the better paying trades.  But I have a hard time believing that&#039;s the norm across the board, which is what the $73/hr figure conveys.  (This blog is called The Skepticrats for a reason.)

For what it&#039;s worth, I worked as bottom-rung management (i.e., shift supervisor) in a union manufacturing shop, so I saw first hand exactly how the numbers of that particular local of the union worked.  I saw my share of slackers, etc., and it was quite jarring, because it was my first job after I left the Marine Corps, where I was used to orders being obeyed all along the chain of command.  (Nobody wants automatons, though — questioning was never out of bounds as long as everyone remembered who outranked whom.)  The challenges I saw to authority in this union shop, though, were rarely due to the worker having an idea for doing something differently or more safely.  It was often pure surliness or a desire to disrespect authority.

The last straw for me was when a co-supervisor of mine on another shift fired an employee for threatening her with immediate physical harm (he was an awfully big guy, too), the fired employee filed a grievance, and he was reinstated almost automatically.</description>
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<p>Your comment is an excellent example of how I think conservatives <em>should</em> make our case.  Obviously, a politician wouldn&#8217;t make the same foot-dragging claim you did, but a politician wouldn&#8217;t have to.  Just point out the facts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no doubt that some auto workers, with shift premiums and overtime included, are earning $150k, especially in the better paying trades.  But I have a hard time believing that&#8217;s the norm across the board, which is what the $73/hr figure conveys.  (This blog is called The Skepticrats for a reason.)</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I worked as bottom-rung management (i.e., shift supervisor) in a union manufacturing shop, so I saw first hand exactly how the numbers of that particular local of the union worked.  I saw my share of slackers, etc., and it was quite jarring, because it was my first job after I left the Marine Corps, where I was used to orders being obeyed all along the chain of command.  (Nobody wants automatons, though — questioning was never out of bounds as long as everyone remembered who outranked whom.)  The challenges I saw to authority in this union shop, though, were rarely due to the worker having an idea for doing something differently or more safely.  It was often pure surliness or a desire to disrespect authority.</p>
<p>The last straw for me was when a co-supervisor of mine on another shift fired an employee for threatening her with immediate physical harm (he was an awfully big guy, too), the fired employee filed a grievance, and he was reinstated almost automatically.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticrats.com/2008/12/12/can-we-please-stop-exaggerating-uaw-wages/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ex GM employee, I&#039;m here to tell you there is NO exaggeration on workers wages.  When I left, my trade was topping out at close to $40.00 an hour.  Throw in another 5% night premium, weekend work ( which EVERYBODY dragged their feet during the week to guarantee), working holidays ( double time..plus another day off of your choosing) it was easy to knock down AT LEAST $150K.  Its time that these spoiled brats, most of whom started at GM right out of high school and have never worked in the &quot;real&quot; world, get a taste of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ex GM employee, I&#8217;m here to tell you there is NO exaggeration on workers wages.  When I left, my trade was topping out at close to $40.00 an hour.  Throw in another 5% night premium, weekend work ( which EVERYBODY dragged their feet during the week to guarantee), working holidays ( double time..plus another day off of your choosing) it was easy to knock down AT LEAST $150K.  Its time that these spoiled brats, most of whom started at GM right out of high school and have never worked in the &#8220;real&#8221; world, get a taste of reality.</p>
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